Committee Members
Letter from the Chair

Thyroid Survey
 

Health Happenings:
Health Committee and the Future

by Kathy Ringering, KCA Health Chair

First of all I would like to say that I am very excited about chairing the Health Committee. We have a lot of work ahead of us. Bobbie Kelley left a good foundation and lots of material she had collected. Working on this committee will be rewarding and eye opening. In this report I hope to give you an over view of some of the health topics that I wish to delve into. I would also love to hear from members who may have ideas. Some of the things that I have in mind will require participation from those outside the committee. We will be looking for feedback on some things that I will go into later.

One of the topics of discussion has been an award for health clearances. This isn't as easy as it sounds. If we reward a dog for achieving all possible health clearances, it gives the impression that the dog is genetically clear of all these potential problems. In fact, that is not true. A dog that passes a test only meant that he/she is phenotypically clear of that disease. It does not make a statement regarding the dog's genetic health. To recognize a dog for it's health clearances sets that dog up for John ! Public to think that dog should be the dog to breed to, get puppies from, etc. In reality this may not be true. When seeking to give an award of this type we have to look at what we are trying to accomplish. We need more health clearances in the breed from all factions. Awarding a dog for it's health clearances sets up a bit of a competition for more dogs to get more clearances. But, it would probably only be club members whose dogs are getting a number of clearances anyway. The problem is that most club members are already doing the health clearances that they feel comfortable with doing. This type of award does not affect all those people showing up in the stud registry every year without clearances of any type. Those are the people we have to find and educate. We could award a dog for his/her clear offspring, but even that can be misleading. A dog with a great track record for offsprinng clearances could be bred to a different bitch with disastrous results simply because of a different mix of genes. But, this at least, is a step in the right direction and does give us at least some useful information.

We could award the owner of the dog, but still we are only getting mostly club members who are already doing a certain amount of testing. We could give an award to a breeder who gets testing done on all of the dogs in a litter. That too, is a step in the right direction since it will likely include non-club members. We need those with working dogs that are breeding, the occasional breeder, the backyard breeder and the show breeders. We need information from all of them. Health is not a club issue. Health is a breed issue and transends all boundaries. How to reach and encourage all these people to participate in genetic testing is the big question.

There seems to be the mentality that if you don't belong to a club and are not showing, you should not be breeding. In Germany they have a breed warden who helps determine who is going to be bred and when. While I see the merits in this type of syste, that is not the way it works in this country. It is probably most obvious in the sporting breeds. I will use Golden Retrievers as an example. There are show/conformation breeders, there are field working dog breeders, the obedience competition breeders, and the back yard breeders. If you stand a show Golden next to a field Golden next to a back yard bred Golden, you are going to see three vastly different dogs, but they are all three Goldens. In an ideal situation the show breeder is also breeding for field work and the sportsman is also breeding for conformation. Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal society. In the Kuvasz we have the show breeders, to a lesser extent the working breeder, and the occasional or back yard breeder. Is the rancher wrong to have a litter of Kuvasz puppies? Of course not. Many show breeders will not place their puppies in working homes and many who seek working puppies only want them from working parents. Some ranchers know more about genetics than most of us, some of them don't. Unfortunately there are also show breeders that do not know as much about genetics as they should. Are all the ranchers x-raying their dogs? No, unfortunately, not. Most of these working dogs have to be fit to be able to do their jobs, just as a hunting dog has to be able to hunt. The majority of these dogs probably have clear hips, but most are not x-rayed to prove it. Is the backyard breeder wrong for wanting to breed a litter of puppies? They are not necessarily wrong for wantint to, but may perhaps be wrong in the way they are going about it, probably unprepared for everything involved, may not pick the best choice for a mate, amy not be doing the necessary genetic testing, know how to socialize a litter or pick the right people to have a Kuvasz puppy. What is needed in all these situations - including the show breeder - is education. How do we go about it? That is the BIG question. If we can reach them, we can educate them. How we approach them is very important. We cannot educate them by alienating them right from the get go. We cannot start out by pointing fingers and telling them thay are doing things wrong. Most people want to do the right thing and when it is explained to them tactfully, are more than willing to try to work within guidelines. We all talk about our small gene pool. We actually have several very small gene pools that rarely overlap. We NEED information from all of them.

If we ever get around to do another survey, I would like to tackle this problem. We could call veterinarians in our cities, ask if they have any Kuvasz clients, send them fthe forms for the survey along with postage and ask them to send out to their clients. We could post information in large metropolitan newspapers (not cheap), post on bulletin boards, training facilities, internet bulletin boards, etc.etc.etc. It would require the participation of every resource we can uncover. In the meantime we will still be looking at some type of an award program. If anyone out there has any ideas, please don't hesitate to come forward.

One of the things that I am very interested in regarding the Kuvasz is diet. I am not a nutritionist, just a dog person who is trying to see the logic behind feeding or not feeding a packaged processed diet. I have long been a firm believer that many of the problems we are seeing are diet related - no proof, but a believer none the less! Last year I had an opportunity to put my theory to the test regarding thyroid. I had a bitch who had been on the thin side going into the winter of 96-97. I increased her food intake. Then spring arrived and I suddenly realized that it all wasn't hair, she looked like the good year blimp. I began dieting her - possibly too severely. Two months later her hair was falling out in BIG clumps down to bare skin. Took her to the vet where her thyroid T4 level was at .8. I reluctantly agreed to putting her on a thyroid supplement. In the meantime I consulted with a homotoxocologist, Marina Zacharias. I have consulted Marina over the years for many things with successful results. After talking with Marina we decided to leave my bitch on the supplement for 6 weeks to help her get back on track. Marina also sent me some products to help boost her thyroid production naturally. The problem with putting the dogs on the thyroid supplement is that it puts their thyroid gland on vacation. It no longer has any reason to function because you are giving them a pill to do it for them.

The plan was to tape her off the thyroid meds and the herbal meds after the six weeks. I discussed this with my vet who surprised me with her support. Also during this time we decided to try a different food. The food we had been using contained soy, and I have since read two articles on how soy inhibits the thyroid gland's ability to absorb necessary nutrients. One article even mentions soy being associated with ovulation inhibitors. The manufacturer of the food we chose swore to me that there was enough nutrients in the food so that we did not need to supplement with kelp or anything else. I am fortunately or unfortunately a doubting Thomas, but decided to give it a try. We began tapering the meds off and checking the thyroid levels all the way through. In the beginning they were in the high normal range. At the end they were in the mid-normal range. Four weeks after all the meds were ceased I held my breath for the thyroid results - NORMAL! mid-range. It has been nearly a year since all this started, but I am happy to report that her thyroid function is still in the normal mid-range. This one instance is not enough to prove or disprove how diet affects the thyroid gland. It is something about which I would like to get more information.

We all need to look closely at what we are feeding the dogs. We could live if we ate at a fast food restaurant 3 meals a day for life. But, would we be healthy? We have been feeding fast food to the dogs. They live, but are they healthy? Sure the dog food companies tout that their bags contain 100% nutrition. They said the same thing 20 years ago, but they found things were mmissing and changed the formula over the years. Many cats died from 100% complete nutrition because their food did not contain taurine. We really need to quit being robots and begin questioning some of the things we are told and especially be guarded about who is telling us. Your veterinarian may not be the best source for nutritional information. He did not likely take a course on nutrition in vet school. Most of what he knows about nutrition was learned from the dog food companies of the foods to be sold in the clinic. The all natural diets that are being touted right now could also be dangerous. Many of them may be just as faulty as the packaged diets. A dog's diet does not have to have 100% nutrition in every meal just as our diets do not. But, over the course of a few days or a couple of weeks, the mix needs to be such that all vital nutrients are included - just as our diets do. How diet affects health is something else I would like to know

Another one of my soap boxes is over vaccination. I have been doing titer testing for several years now and gathering data. Did you know there is probably no reason to vaccinate your dog after his initial puppy shots? Did you know that the American Veterinary Association announced last year that they are no longer recommending an annual schedule of vaccinations, but now recommend a 3 year schedule? Did you know that Dr Jean Dodd has been campaiging against over vaccination for 25 years? How many of the veterinarians of our readers are still pushing annual vaccinations? We vaccinate our children when young, but do not continue to do it year after year after year. It is an unnecessary attack on the immune system to continue to inject virus into our dogs. There are two types of titers that can be run, but I will only refer to one type here as it is the one we first started to use. I have not been able to find a Kuvasz with a higher titer than 1:250 including total unrelated dogs. That is a high enough titer that the dog is protected against parvo or whatever. This particular scale says that 1:64 is protective. But, if a bitch with a titer of 1:250 has puppies, she can only pass to her puppies the titer that she has. It is known that puppies lose half of the maternal titer every 2 weeks. So at 4 weeks Kuvasz puppies no longer have a protective titer. I can tell you that 4 week old puppies do not have an immune system well developed enough to mount a response to vaccination. The immune system of most 6 week old puppies is mature enough to mount a response. And I can tell you that they maintain that response with only 2-3 shots of the newer higher titer vaccines. And that's it. We continue to titer test - not vaccinate. Some of our older guys no longer get titer testing. I have a lot of information that I can share regarding titer testing in future articles. I would like to know if anyone else is doing titer testing and the results? Anyone else that has not done titer testing that is interested in pursuing this, please report results.

Showisht Magazine December 98 has a short little survey regarding Thyroid. One of the questions deals with our beliefs whether thyroid is genetic or environmental. So I am not the only one thinking about this. In this same issue is an article on page 150 titles "On the Soy and More" by BJ Andrews. It also mentions the adversity of soy to thyroid gland activity. Does anyone want to help dig into this a little further? Anyone who has a dog with a thyroid problem who wants to discuss this, please feel free to call me. You would need the support of your veterinarian to try a different approach.

The February 1999 issue of Dog Fancy Magazine has a good beginner article on vaccinations and another one on Omega fatty acids (another one of my soap boxes). We are going to see a big swing in canine care over the next few years. Many people have already gone back to the more natural approach for dog care. Dogs on the farm were never sick! Sometimes progress just isn't what it seems.

The Health Committee, among other things, will be bringing you up to date information on a variety of health topics in future newsletters.

There are so many things that I want to know. How many puppies have been raised on vitamin C? How many were dysplattic and how many were not? How many were raised on puppy food? How many were raised on one of the new Large Breed Puppy Growth formulas? How many puppies have been raised on a glucosamine/condroitin sulfate supplement? How many were dysplastic and how many were not? How many of us are doing titer testing? How many of us are using nosodes? How many of us are using a natural diet? How many of us are having thyroid problems? Well, these are just some of the things that I want to know. Do you want to know, too? I think we have the answers, we just have to accumulate the information. Linda Arndt worked with Great Danes on some studies regarding OCD, etc. with some surprising results. We have a large body of people and dogs just within this club. Working together we may be able to find some answers on our own. If we wait for some university study to be funded and include the Kuvasz, we could be waiting for a long time. If we share information with one another, we could get a great headstart, and I hope I have you thinking...

Reprinted from the Kuvasz Quarterly, Spring 99 edition, pages25-27

Kathy Ringering, KCA Health Chair
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